Emperor Cold

Oct 11 2010, 12:11 PM

Look, power can't just appear out of nowhere. Influence does not affect raw power, it affects personality, which in turn can repress said power, but it cannot make it disappear completely. So if Good Boo + Evil Boo = Super Boo and Super Boo - Good Boo = Kid Boo, then how could Kid Boo possibly have more raw power than Evil Boo?

When Fat Boo split, Evil Boo took most of the Kaioshin's power but very little of their influence. Just enough to keep him from going insane, but not enough to repress his power. Thus Good Boo was left with most of their influence and a smaller fraction of their power.

When Evil Boo absorbed Good Boo, he focused all of the Kais' essence within Good Boo's body, so he could draw on all of their power but remain mostly unaffected by their influence by using Good Boo's body as a filter.

When Vegeta severed Good Boo's pod, he completely cut off Super Boo's connection to the Kais, thus reverting him back to his basic form. This left Good Boo with all of their influence but all of their power as well, making him stronger than when he fought Evil Boo. This also means that Kid Boo has none of their power, making him weaker than Evil Boo. The lack of influence is irrelevant, since whatever slim influence Evil Boo had was not enough to hold him back. Unfortunately Good Boo was too gentle to put his considerable power to full use, kind of like Gohan when he was a kid.

This is the only way to make sense of Super Boo reverting to Kid Boo instead of reverting to Evil Boo. And who's to say they didn't sense Evil Boo on the Kai's planet? They don't cut away to the Kai planet until after Super Boo is formed, so they could've sensed him off-camera. And when it does show them, Goku just says "This chi is Boo's, isn't it? What's going on?" He didn't say anything like "wow I can sense him all the way here now," he just sensed a change.

Nusu

Oct 11 2010, 04:44 AM

shedra

Oct 11 2010, 04:19 AM

Goku outright says that Kid Buu is the strongest Buu.
"You've gotten so much more powerful then you ever had before. Your speed, your power, your regeneration..."
All the other absorptions made Majin Buu weaker. Except for the Super Buu saga where he absorbs people and actually does get stronger. Until they are all set free and he's purified.

Q: Fat buu is all the Supreme Kais put together? or can the Kais be pulled back out of him? Or does no one care enough about them to get them out?

Super Buu is the strongest Buu.


What panel is that line?

Also, Fat Buu only has one fully absorbed Kai in him and thats the Grand Supreme Kai, wich Buu got the good influence from.

Emperor Cold

Oct 11 2010, 12:11 PM

Look, power can't just appear out of nowhere. Influence does not affect raw power, it affects personality, which in turn can repress said power, but it cannot make it disappear completely. So if Good Boo + Evil Boo = Super Boo and Super Boo - Good Boo = Kid Boo, then how could Kid Boo possibly have more raw power than Evil Boo?

When Fat Boo split, Evil Boo took most of the Kaioshin's power but very little of their influence. Just enough to keep him from going insane, but not enough to repress his power. Thus Good Boo was left with most of their influence and a smaller fraction of their power.

When Evil Boo absorbed Good Boo, he focused all of the Kais' essence within Good Boo's body, so he could draw on all of their power but remain mostly unaffected by their influence by using Good Boo's body as a filter.

When Vegeta severed Good Boo's pod, he completely cut off Super Boo's connection to the Kai's, thus reverting him back to his basic form. This left Good Boo with all of their influence but all of their power as well, making him stronger than when he fought Evil Boo. This also means that Kid Boo has none of their power, making him weaker than Evil Boo. The lack of influence is irrelevant, since whatever slim influence Evil Boo had was not enough to hold him back. Unfortunately Good Boo was too gentle to put his considerable power to full use, kind of like Gohan when he was a kid.

This is the only way to make sense of Super Boo reverting to Kid Boo instead of reverting to Evil Boo. And who's to say they didn't sense Evil Boo on the Kai's planet? They don't cut away to the Kai planet until after Super Boo is formed, so they could've sensed him off-camera. And when it does show them, Goku just says "This chi is Boo's, isn't it? What's going on?" He didn't say anything like "wow I can sense him all the way here now," he just sensed a change.

shedra

Oct 11 2010, 05:54 PM

Nusu

Oct 11 2010, 04:44 AM

shedra

Oct 11 2010, 04:19 AM

Goku outright says that Kid Buu is the strongest Buu.
"You've gotten so much more powerful then you ever had before. Your speed, your power, your regeneration..."
All the other absorptions made Majin Buu weaker. Except for the Super Buu saga where he absorbs people and actually does get stronger. Until they are all set free and he's purified.

Q: Fat buu is all the Supreme Kais put together? or can the Kais be pulled back out of him? Or does no one care enough about them to get them out?

Super Buu is the strongest Buu.


What panel is that line?

Also, Fat Buu only has one fully absorbed Kai in him and thats the Grand Supreme Kai, wich Buu got the good influence from.

This is where that line is It's in the first few minutes of the recap.

And didn't buu absorb the supreme south kai? That's why he gets all buff and huge and drooling before he reverts to kid buu?
I thought I heard elder kai say that.

Ussj Future Trunks

Oct 12 2010, 05:54 AM

the Supreme Kai states perfectly that Kid Buu lost power
the same guy who thought pui pui was a tough fighter...hmm...yeah i think he doesnt have the same attuned skills as the z fighters and what i believe is that he didnt lose any power, just the rage and evil needed to access it. he became more docile and therefore less likely to tap into that greater power. gohan even realises this. he says something like "it feels empty, yet theres something evil inside". his only difference with super buu is the body more made for fighting and that the evil power is on the outside this time.

Herms

 

Actually I think the skinny Boo is pretty straightforward, since we get an actual comment from the narrator regarding his strength. The narrator says during the fight between the fat and skinny Boos that "The original Majin Boo had no chance of winning...This was because during the split, the majority of the power went to the evil one…" (Viz really messes this line up, unfortunately). So the skinny Boo has the majority of the power possessed by the initial fat Boo, the one who fought Majin Vegeta and Super Saiyan 3 Goku, meaning that he's at least a little bit weaker than that Boo. That would by extension make him weaker than "super" Boo and his various absorbed forms, or the original pure Boo. So ultimately he's the second weakest form of Boo, only ahead of the pure good Boo who he fights with, since that Boo got only the minority of the power from the initial fat Boo.

Incidentally, it's technically incorrect to refer to the skinny Boo as "aku/evil Boo"; that term is used for the muscular Boo (aka "Super Boo"). The official term for the skinny Boo is instead junsui-aku/"pure evil", which is how he's described in the manga. These official terms (the ones used in the guidebooks and recent video games) are admittedly pretty confusing: we've got the pure evil Boo, the evil Boo, and the pure Boo. And really confusingly, pure Boo is described by Kaioshin in the manga as being "evil itself", which certainly makes him sound pure evil too. In Viz the lines were the skinny Boo is described as "pure evil" are all changed so that he's instead said to be "pure rage", perhaps as a way of better distinguishing between the skinny Boo and the pure Boo.

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He was equally as powerful as Kid Buu, since they were comprised of the same components: Pure evil. That hidden power inside of the Fat Buu (that fought Vegeta and Goku) had to be inside of either Mr. Buu or the Pure Evil Buu. And since one Buu was good and the other was evil... Well, that makes it pretty clear-cut. I'm also not too keen on the idea that the only two instances in the story which Buus have existed side-by-side just happened to be when one was good and the other was evil, or that the proportions in power changed. It's not a coincidence. If Evil Buu is stronger than Kid, or vice-versa, they'd literally be pulling that advantageous strength out of thin air.

Herms

 

No, not really. We see that fat Boo received his vest and cape by absorbing the Dai-Kaioshin, and skinny Boo has that same vest and cape, so it seems that he retains the Dai-Kaioshin's influence to some extent. So that's why he'd be weaker than pure Boo. We know from Kaioshin's story that the pure Boo powered down into fat Boo by absorbing the Dai-Kaioshin, and we know from the narrator that this fat Boo further powered down by dividing his power between the good Boo and the pure evil Boo. This doesn't leave much room for the pure evil Boo to have as much power as the pure Boo. The skinny Boo is described as "pure evil" while the pure Boo is described as "evil itself", so they're described in similar but not identical terms. Admittedly it's not clearly explained what exactly is the difference between these two Boos, but it is made clear through exposition and their radically different appearances that they are different just the same.

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I know, and that power that was suppressed had to have gone somewhere, because every bit of it eventually re-surfaced. If the Fat Buu divided his own power, part of his inaccessible ki was divided, too. His good "half" was weaker because it was only comprised of the Kaioshins, and the evil "half" was stronger because it had all of his unrestrained, evil ki. His appearance doesn't say anything to me about his power, besides that violently expelling your own evil will look differently than the same person/being would look, if they're formed naturally.

Herms

 

But the skinny Boo must have still retained the Dai-Kaioshin's influence somehow, or he wouldn't have that cape and vest. That means he's not going to be completely unrestrained like pure Boo was.